Post by nintendonut1 on Jan 7, 2011 12:44:59 GMT -5
I've been doing some research into angels for an idea for an original webcomic that's been spinning through my head for the past week, and I've come across some interesting things that I wanted to share. And perhaps prove or disprove whether we've been portraying them correctly. XD
Now, am I correcting incorrect interpretations? Not necessarily. I'm just taking what I'm learning and comparing it to our interpretation. I'm not sure whether Felix has stated that we're using Christianity or not, and if we're not following it too closely, I suggest we either make corrections in the future or just start calling this another religion. XD Somehow the second option seems easier.
I'll just take relevent excerpts as I go along, so this'll probably be editted or added to overtime as I come across more.
So far so good! I think we could impliment the "messenger" part a little more, though, there's potential there!
We've thrown around the term of Fallen Angels around a bit, but ultimately it's angels that go against God's will. I think I can vouch for most of the times this has happened to Felix's angels, but I do believe we need to keep that in mind when we refer to Fallen Angels. It goes beyond hurting and killing people, it's defying God.
Is defying the Angel of Light close enough to defying God, since the angel is his closest agent? It's possible that we can portray it like that, which would justify Felix's falling when he betrayed Edd.
I wanna take this time to note that the Angel of Light is actually another name for Lucifer. Satan. Yup.
Take that as you will. If I had known that earlier, I would've called Edd something else, but I dunno. Maybe it'll deliver us into a delicious plot twist, maybe we'll just dismiss that fact as we set up our own rules. I just wanted to make a reminder about that.
And THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is why our angels are assholes. XD
It comforts me to know we got their qualities right; Felix, Masahiro, and now even Edd are described as beautiful at one point or another, but are also capable of dreadful power. Edd's may not seem as dreadful, but further research may begin to prove me wrong in my attempts of keeping Edd "pure." But I'll probably explore this more in my original webcomic, with a more open-ended character as my Angel of Light.
Now, it says up there that angels are usually correct in their judgement, but are "not infallible." Embarressingly, I had to look up what that means, and translated, it means they are NOT always 100% trustworthy. So they are NOT perfect beings. They are capable of lying, decieving, and betraying trust.
So, was Felix's Falling after decieving Eddward justified? Maybe not, considering angels are often at freakin' WAR with each other, in which God himself will implement the crowbar (hence the separation of Edd and Felix during the Masahrio demon baby arc).
However, I'm led to believe Felix's Falling went beyond decieving Eddward, but as I said above, we need to keep the major idea of "going against God" as the ultimate reason for the Falling. It could be a mixture of actions and decisions that lead to it, but the major idea still has to be there in some shape or form.
We've kept this pretty solidly, I think. Again, I think we need to impliment the 'messenger' part some more.
This one's been stretched more. Angels CAN walk this earth, but they still remain by His side and usually stay up in Heaven to serve Him.
Again, we can be at liberty with this. Maybe our angels are special cases. I do think, though, that God should have some attendants when He appears. I hadn't even thought about that before.
Again, pretty consistent here. Though the fire is an interesting side-fact I hadn't known about.
Aha! Suddenly Seven's six wings are making more sense! Forgive me, Prue, if you've told me this stuff before. XD
Good, swords are always cool. Let's not feel like we're limiting to those only, though.
Well, DAMN! You got that spot-on with Felix, um... Felix. XD As angels have evolved, they don't all have to look feminine, but Felix has been portrayed as one of the MUCH older angels, so it's only fair he has the original interpretation.
So we don't have to worry about there being "too many angels" here, because they could be SO much more than there are. XD
Basically the second paragraph says that any one angel is capable of delivering God's will and power. We've made Edd and Felix special cases to this.
....oops. XD
Maybe angels havin sex and babies isn't really plausible...?
Well, that's comforting, but still doesn't explain the sex. Lawl. XD
As I said, take what you will. I don't regret Marion, she's been a pivotal part of the plot. And I still think Felix's angel-pregnancy idea is still plausible for what we needed here. But I think this is all the more reason to branch this off into its own religion. XD
That's all I got for this ONE website I visited. XD More may come.
Now, am I correcting incorrect interpretations? Not necessarily. I'm just taking what I'm learning and comparing it to our interpretation. I'm not sure whether Felix has stated that we're using Christianity or not, and if we're not following it too closely, I suggest we either make corrections in the future or just start calling this another religion. XD Somehow the second option seems easier.
I'll just take relevent excerpts as I go along, so this'll probably be editted or added to overtime as I come across more.
The Western religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have all accepted the belief that there is, between God and mankind, a class of intermediary beings called angels. The word angel comes from the Greek word angelos, meaning "messenger." Angels are considered to be bodiless minds or spirits who perform various services for God or for people on God's behalf. Angels are good spirits. They have their counterpart in demons, or evil spirits.
So far so good! I think we could impliment the "messenger" part a little more, though, there's potential there!
In the Book of Job the leading demon, Satan, is also introduced. But it is not until the New Testament that Satan is portrayed, under the name Lucifer, as the first of the fallen angels--the angels that rebelled against God.
We've thrown around the term of Fallen Angels around a bit, but ultimately it's angels that go against God's will. I think I can vouch for most of the times this has happened to Felix's angels, but I do believe we need to keep that in mind when we refer to Fallen Angels. It goes beyond hurting and killing people, it's defying God.
Is defying the Angel of Light close enough to defying God, since the angel is his closest agent? It's possible that we can portray it like that, which would justify Felix's falling when he betrayed Edd.
I wanna take this time to note that the Angel of Light is actually another name for Lucifer. Satan. Yup.
Take that as you will. If I had known that earlier, I would've called Edd something else, but I dunno. Maybe it'll deliver us into a delicious plot twist, maybe we'll just dismiss that fact as we set up our own rules. I just wanted to make a reminder about that.Angels are portrayed as powerful and dreadful, endowed with wisdom and with knowledge of all earthly events, correct in their judgment, holy, but not infallible: they strive against each other, and God has to make peace between them.
And THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is why our angels are assholes. XD
It comforts me to know we got their qualities right; Felix, Masahiro, and now even Edd are described as beautiful at one point or another, but are also capable of dreadful power. Edd's may not seem as dreadful, but further research may begin to prove me wrong in my attempts of keeping Edd "pure." But I'll probably explore this more in my original webcomic, with a more open-ended character as my Angel of Light.
Now, it says up there that angels are usually correct in their judgement, but are "not infallible." Embarressingly, I had to look up what that means, and translated, it means they are NOT always 100% trustworthy. So they are NOT perfect beings. They are capable of lying, decieving, and betraying trust.
So, was Felix's Falling after decieving Eddward justified? Maybe not, considering angels are often at freakin' WAR with each other, in which God himself will implement the crowbar (hence the separation of Edd and Felix during the Masahrio demon baby arc).
However, I'm led to believe Felix's Falling went beyond decieving Eddward, but as I said above, we need to keep the major idea of "going against God" as the ultimate reason for the Falling. It could be a mixture of actions and decisions that lead to it, but the major idea still has to be there in some shape or form.
In the Bible, angels are a medium of God's power; they exist to execute God's will. Angels reveal themselves to individuals as well as to the whole nation, to announce events, either good or bad, affecting humans. Angels foretold to Abraham the birth of Isaac, to Manoah the birth of Samson, and to Abraham the destruction of Sodom.
Guardian angels were mentioned, but not, as was later the case, as guardian spirits of individuals and nations. God sent an angel to protect the Hebrew people after their exodus from Egypt, to lead them to the Promised Land, and to destroy the hostile tribes in their way (Ex. 23.20, Num. 20.16).
Guardian angels were mentioned, but not, as was later the case, as guardian spirits of individuals and nations. God sent an angel to protect the Hebrew people after their exodus from Egypt, to lead them to the Promised Land, and to destroy the hostile tribes in their way (Ex. 23.20, Num. 20.16).
We've kept this pretty solidly, I think. Again, I think we need to impliment the 'messenger' part some more.
They constitute God's court, sitting in council with Him (I Kings, xxii. 19; Job, i. 6, ii. 1); hence they are called His "council of the holy ones" (Ps. lxxxix. 7, R. V.; A. V. "assembly of the saints"). They accompany God as His attendants, when He appears to man (Deut. xxxiii. 2; Job, xxxviii. 7).
This conception was developed after the Exile; and in the Zechariah, angels of various shapes are delegated "to walk to and fro through the earth" in order to find out and report what happens (Zech. vi. 7). Avenging angels are often present in the Scriptures such as the one in II Sam. xxiv. 15, who annihilates thousands.
This conception was developed after the Exile; and in the Zechariah, angels of various shapes are delegated "to walk to and fro through the earth" in order to find out and report what happens (Zech. vi. 7). Avenging angels are often present in the Scriptures such as the one in II Sam. xxiv. 15, who annihilates thousands.
This one's been stretched more. Angels CAN walk this earth, but they still remain by His side and usually stay up in Heaven to serve Him.
Again, we can be at liberty with this. Maybe our angels are special cases. I do think, though, that God should have some attendants when He appears. I hadn't even thought about that before.
In the Hebrew Bible, angels often appear to people in the shape of humans of extraordinary beauty, and often are not immediately recognized as angels (Genesis 18:2, Genesis 19:5; Judges 6:17, Judges 8:6; 2 Samuel 29:9).
They usually fly through the air, may become invisible. Sacrifices touched by some are consumed by fire, and some may disappear in sacrificial fire. They are described as pure and bright as Heaven; consequently, they are said to be formed of fire, and encompassed by light, as the Psalmist said (Psalm 104:4): "He makes winds His messengers, burning fire His ministers."
They usually fly through the air, may become invisible. Sacrifices touched by some are consumed by fire, and some may disappear in sacrificial fire. They are described as pure and bright as Heaven; consequently, they are said to be formed of fire, and encompassed by light, as the Psalmist said (Psalm 104:4): "He makes winds His messengers, burning fire His ministers."
Again, pretty consistent here. Though the fire is an interesting side-fact I hadn't known about.
Though superhuman, angels usually assume human form. Angels are thought to possess wings (Daniel 9:21), as they are described in the Bible, and depicted in Christian, Jewish and Zoroastrian art. The seraphim are described by Isaiah (vi. 2) as having six wings.
Aha! Suddenly Seven's six wings are making more sense! Forgive me, Prue, if you've told me this stuff before. XD
Angels often held swords or other destroying weapons in their hands—one carries an ink-horn by his side—and ride on horses (Numbers 22:23, Joshua 5:13, Ezekiel 9;2, Zechariah 1:8 et seq.).
Good, swords are always cool.
Let's not feel like we're limiting to those only, though.In art, angels are always depicted beautiful, and their features are often feminine - even for warrior archangels, their hair is usually long, and their figures somewhat slight.
Angels in art become more sexually differentiated from the nineteenth century, after which breasts and masculine figures and haircuts appear. In modern Western culture, many angels are depicted as having female figures, facial features and names, and many New Age practitioners speak of masculine and feminine angels.
Angels in art become more sexually differentiated from the nineteenth century, after which breasts and masculine figures and haircuts appear. In modern Western culture, many angels are depicted as having female figures, facial features and names, and many New Age practitioners speak of masculine and feminine angels.
Well, DAMN! You got that spot-on with Felix, um... Felix. XD As angels have evolved, they don't all have to look feminine, but Felix has been portrayed as one of the MUCH older angels, so it's only fair he has the original interpretation.
The number of angels is enormous. Jacob meets a host of angels; Joshua sees the "captain of the host of the Lord"; God sits on His throne, "all the host of heaven standing by Him on His right hand and on his left"; the sons of God come "to present themselves before the Lord" (Gen. xxxii. 2; Josh. v. 14, 15; I Kings, xxii. 19; Job, i. 6, ii. 1; Ps. lxxxix. 6; Job, xxxiii. 23). The general conception is the one of Job (xxv. 3): "Is there any number of his armies?" In the book of Revelation, the number is "a thousand thousands, and many tens of thousands".
Though the older writings usually mention one angel of the Lord, embassies to men as a rule comprised several messengers. The inference, however, is not to be drawn that God Himself or one particular angel was designated: the expression was given simply to God's power to accomplish through but one angel any deed, however wonderful.
Though the older writings usually mention one angel of the Lord, embassies to men as a rule comprised several messengers. The inference, however, is not to be drawn that God Himself or one particular angel was designated: the expression was given simply to God's power to accomplish through but one angel any deed, however wonderful.
So we don't have to worry about there being "too many angels" here, because they could be SO much more than there are. XD
Basically the second paragraph says that any one angel is capable of delivering God's will and power. We've made Edd and Felix special cases to this.
Most theologies agree that angels are technically genderless in the normal human sense.
....oops. XD
Maybe angels havin sex and babies isn't really plausible...?
however:
* Angels are given tasks such as warrior, herald, guard (at the gates of Eden), wrestler (of Jacob), mover of large stones (at the tomb of Christ), which in traditional societies would all have been tasks typically performed by men.
* The few canonical names of angels (e.g., Michael, Gabriel and Lucifer) are recognized in most cultures as masculine names.
* In languages with gender markings for nouns, the word "angel" is uniformly a masculine noun, including in the original Hebrew, Greek and Latin texts referred to above. The word "angel" in English, French, German, Spanish, and many other European languages is derived from the Latin angelus, a masculine noun.
* In European medieval and Renaissance paintings of the Annunciation the archangel is usually depicted as noticeably more attractive than Mary - she could not be painted in a way that might inspire lustful thoughts, whilst no such problem arose with a genderless angel.
* In modern Western culture, many angels are depicted as having female figures, facial features and names, and many New Age practitioners speak of masculine and feminine angels.
* Angels are given tasks such as warrior, herald, guard (at the gates of Eden), wrestler (of Jacob), mover of large stones (at the tomb of Christ), which in traditional societies would all have been tasks typically performed by men.
* The few canonical names of angels (e.g., Michael, Gabriel and Lucifer) are recognized in most cultures as masculine names.
* In languages with gender markings for nouns, the word "angel" is uniformly a masculine noun, including in the original Hebrew, Greek and Latin texts referred to above. The word "angel" in English, French, German, Spanish, and many other European languages is derived from the Latin angelus, a masculine noun.
* In European medieval and Renaissance paintings of the Annunciation the archangel is usually depicted as noticeably more attractive than Mary - she could not be painted in a way that might inspire lustful thoughts, whilst no such problem arose with a genderless angel.
* In modern Western culture, many angels are depicted as having female figures, facial features and names, and many New Age practitioners speak of masculine and feminine angels.
Well, that's comforting, but still doesn't explain the sex. Lawl. XD
As I said, take what you will. I don't regret Marion, she's been a pivotal part of the plot. And I still think Felix's angel-pregnancy idea is still plausible for what we needed here. But I think this is all the more reason to branch this off into its own religion. XD
That's all I got for this ONE website I visited. XD More may come.
